Caster Jolt augs

[jox]

There is already a very heavy melee bias from weapon scaling without taking into account threat.  The 2 melee in my group are doing double the damage of the caster while sitting happily at 10-20% of the tank's threat, meanwhile the caster is always riding the line at 95%+ and doing less damage.

[osirous]

Casters get this in the form of aa's under Archtype Spell Casting Subtlety.

[jox]

My whole group is AA capped, I know what subtlety is.  Not even close to how strong the dad jolt augs are.

[TaterTott]

What caster are you playing? Is it a wizzy? My enchanter doesn't even come close to pulling aggro from my Paladin with slow, cripple, 2-3 dots, and nukes even. Sometimes he's even runing the tank.

I'm asking because maybe it's specifically damage spells that are to blame?

[jox]

Warrior tank, so significantly less threat than knights. Caster is a mage.

Edit:  It's only a problem on fights with a threat debuff on the tank where in a raid you'd swap tanks but that shouldn't be a requirement in a group.  Melee can go full burn on pull without any thoughts to threat meanwhile the mage in question casts 3 spells and just gets to afk for a few minutes.

[Chuckles]

Are you using threat weapon augments from the hub?

[jox]

Yes, 2x edge of eternity which have a stun proc on top of double dad threat augs.  Or maybe reduce the level requirement for silent casting AA instead, that would also work.

[TaterTott]

Seems strange that the mage pet isn't taking aggro when the warrior gets debuffed as well--especially if the pet has pet hate weapons. Just covering all the bases... #pettank is set to on, right?

[TaterTott]

Jul 9, 2018 7:55:09 GMT -5 jox said:

Warrior tank, so significantly less threat than knights. Caster is a mage.

Edit:  It's only a problem on fights with a threat debuff on the tank where in a raid you'd swap tanks but that shouldn't be a requirement in a group.  Melee can go full burn on pull without any thoughts to threat meanwhile the mage in question casts 3 spells and just gets to afk for a few minutes.

What fight specifically are you talking about? If its a "raid" fight (supposed to be 1 groupable) it doesn't seem unreasonable to expect there to be some sort of offtank in a high end group. My interpretation of the what the server is meant to be (and I may be wrong) is that you can group everything, but you can't do everything with just any 6 toons. You still need to round out your group in the right ways--i.e. have some sort of melee/off-tank class that *can* take some hits until the debuff is removed or whatever.

[jox]

We can do the fights, it's just not fun for the mage on some of them. Avatar of Earth in earthb, Tallon/Vallon in time. We used an earth pet with threat weapons for our first clear of these for safety, but 6-7 clears later with much better gear and his role on these fights is still to just watch his pet fight and press a nuke every 20s or so. Melee on the other hand will be "what is threat?".

edit: If I remember correctly.  Tallon is a 60% threat reduction debuff on the tank and Vallon FDs the tank.  Been a while on Avatar, I think it was a 95% threat reduction on the tank.  I believe they are not radiant curable, or if they are it gets put back up very quickly.

[corporate]

The anger/jolt augs were made so powerful because I wanted to keep pet tanking in but no "pet tank toggle" command existed.

After creating that I think it is time to revisit these augs and see what adjustments they need. Good discussion here.